Episode 153 Uncovering Ancestral Stories: Soul Chats with Shanna Varva

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Dive into the importance of exploring and healing generational patterns in this powerful Soul Chats interview on Awakening with Amy Robeson with Shanna Vara. Shanna shares her journey of discovering surprising details about her own ancestry through DNA testing and genealogy research.

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Integrating Spirituality in Ancestral Healing for Personal Growth: Soul Chats with Shanna Varva

In a recent episode of my podcast, I had the pleasure of speaking with Shanna Varva, a remarkable individual with a deep passion for ancestry and healing. Our conversation was nothing short of enlightening, as Shanna shared her own ancestral journey and the profound impact it has had on her life and the lives of others.

Unveiling Ancestral Secrets: Shanna's Journey

During our enlightening conversation, Shanna shared a poignant tale from her own family history—one that resonated deeply with the complexities of identity and heritage. Her story centered on her grandmother's hidden heritage, a narrative marked by secrecy and survival.
Shanna recounted how her grandmother, faced with the harsh realities of racial discrimination, made the difficult decision to conceal her true race. This practice, while not uncommon in the past, speaks to the profound challenges her ancestors endured. Shanna revealed, "I was able to track that she had at one point three different races on the census record. She went from M, which was Mulatto, to N, which you know what that stood for, to white."
This revelation casts a stark light on the intricacies of racial identity and the lengths individuals would go to for safety and security. Shanna's grandmother's journey, marked by shifting racial classifications, speaks volumes about the social and cultural landscape of her time. It serves as a poignant reminder of the resilience and fortitude exhibited by her ancestors in the face of adversity.
As we reflect on Shanna's ancestral journey, we are reminded of the importance of acknowledging and honoring the complexities of our heritage. By uncovering these hidden narratives, we gain a deeper understanding of the challenges faced by those who came before us. May we continue to honor their stories and preserve their legacies for future generations.

Unraveling Ancestral Threads: Amy's Tobacco Legacy

In our recent dialogue with Shanna, the insightful host of the Sense of Soul podcast, we ventured into the intricate world of family trees. Shanna, who has meticulously constructed over 200 family trees, embarked on the task of unraveling my own lineage. Little did I know this exploration would lead to a profound discovery—one that echoed a personal journey I had embarked on months prior.
As Shanna delved into the depths of my family history, she unearthed a remarkable revelation: my grandfather, ten generations back, was a tobacco farmer. With a 500-acre tobacco farm to his name, he had left an indelible mark on our family's legacy. This revelation left me in awe, as it resonated deeply with a transformative experience I had undergone during one of my classes.
Months prior to Shanna's exploration, I had been visited by an ancestor during a class session. In a moment of profound connection, this ancestor gifted me a tobacco leaf—a gesture that left an indelible imprint on my soul. Little did I realize at the time the significance of this gift, but Shanna's research shed light on its profound meaning.
Through Shanna's meticulous research, I came to understand that my ancestors were indeed tobacco farmers—a remarkable connection that left me speechless. The synchronicity of these events, from the ancestral visitation to Shanna's discovery, underscored the profound interplay between our past and present. In honoring the legacy of our ancestors, we uncover hidden truths and forge deeper connections to our own identities.
As I reflect on this journey of ancestral discovery, I am reminded of the power of connection and remembrance. Through our exploration of family trees and ancestral legacies, we not only gain insight into our own past but also cultivate a deeper appreciation for the rich tapestry of human history. May we continue to honor the legacies of those who came before us, weaving their stories into the fabric of our own lives.

Healing Through Ancestry

Shanna's insights into the healing power of ancestral work were truly profound. She emphasized the importance of breaking generational patterns and healing past traumas. "You're healing the past, your present, and future lineages," she explained. This timeless healing process not only resonated with me but also highlighted the significance of understanding and honoring our ancestral roots.

Embracing Synchronicity

As our conversation unfolded, Shanna and I also discussed the concept of synchronicity and its role in our lives. "It's through those synchronicities that I started to lean into synchronicity more," she shared. This sentiment resonated deeply with me as I reflected on the interconnectedness of our experiences and the profound impact of ancestral guidance.

Discover Your Ancestral Roots: Shanna's Exclusive Offer

In our enlightening conversation, Shanna introduced her transformative workshop, CLEAR, designed to unravel the mysteries of your family lineage and foster deep healing. With over 200 meticulously crafted family trees under her belt, Shanna's expertise in genealogy is unmatched.
CLEAR offers a holistic approach to ancestral healing, blending dream journeys, meditation, and cultural exploration to illuminate your family history and release what no longer serves you. As a special offer, listeners can enjoy a 50% discount on the workshop using the code CLEAR2024.
Don't miss this chance to embark on a journey of self-discovery and healing with Shanna as your guide. Visit Sense of Soul Podcast's website to sign up for the CLEAR workshop today. Your ancestral journey awaits!

Conclusion

My conversation with Shanna Varva was a journey through time, heritage, and healing. Her dedication to unraveling ancestral stories and facilitating healing through ancestral work is truly inspiring. As we concluded our discussion, I was left with a newfound appreciation for the power of ancestry and the profound impact it has on our lives. Shanna's story serves as a testament to the resilience and strength of our ancestors and the invaluable wisdom they continue to impart to us.
In closing, I invite you to explore the depths of your own ancestry and embrace the stories that have shaped your existence. As Shanna aptly stated, "It's a timeless healing," and the journey of self-discovery through ancestral exploration is a gift that transcends generations.

Love and light,

Amy Robeson

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Amy
Hey, friends. How are you? I'm so excited for today's SoulChat interview with Shannon, a dear friend of mine. She is the host of Sense of Soul podcast, which is an amazing podcast. If you haven't checked it out, definitely go check it out. And today we're diving into a topic that I love dearly, but we're taking a different approach with it, and that is ancestry and looking at family trees and building family trees. We've also dived deep into family secrets and why ancestors might want to have secrets kept away from the family for safety reasons. We dive into all sorts of different nuances and topics, and I'm so excited to share this little chat interview.

So, let's jump in.

Amy
Hello, everyone. I have a very special guest. I'm so excited to talk to Shanna today. How are you, my dear?

Shanna
I am good. So nice to see you again.

Amy
Nice to see you, too. So you and I met on your podcast, and I was guided at the end of your podcast to ask you how I could support you. And that's when you started sharing with me how you're really into ancestry. And I was like, yes, tell me more about this because I love working with ancestors. I teach the Akashic records. The ancestors are coming in at a rapid pace now because they want to help us. They want to support us. And then I also have another level for Sacred Awakening students that we only focus on ancestors. And when I met you, I just got done telling you how I was getting ready to go see my grandma and how she had tons and tons and tons of ancestral artifacts for us. And she wanted me to build our family tree. And you told me I can build your family tree. I was like, Yes, I love that. Tell everybody a little bit about your ability to do that and why it's important. And then I'm going to share a really cool thing that happened from you doing that with me.
Shanna
Oh, that's awesome. There are always so many beautiful stories within the ancestry. I love to hear them, and you learn so much about history.

Amy
Absolutely. It's incredible. And the things that you pulled from my ancestry, my mom, my grandma, and I were all shocked by it. It was insane. And I know you and I were shocked by it, too, as we were looking at it.

Shanna
It's so fun. In fact, I'm working. I don't know. I've probably done 200 trees or more. I lost count after 100. But I never thought that this would be something that I would be good at. And really, I don't think I ever would have been good at it unless I went through my own ancestral journey years ago, which actually lasted me six years. I was really into it. I never thought it would end, either. What I discovered was when I did my little DNA test when you spit in the, and you sent it off, was that I was nothing that I thought I was. This happens to many people. We think that we're just German, but then you have to remember, Germany, at one point, covered over places in Russia and all over. Lots have changed on the map since a lot of people originated from certain areas. My daughter just did hers recently. Even though she's very German, it goes right back to Ukraine, which is very similar. But I am originally from New Orleans, so I knew that I would maybe have some surprises in my DNA test, which I did. I was always told I was French and Italian.

Shanna
To find out, I was, I don't think, any Italian. I was not nearly as much French as I thought I was. There's also a lot of German in me. I thought that was weird. Of course, my dad had German. I didn't know he was German. I thought he was pure Czechoslovakian. His family has only been here three generations. So, a lot of his German is from Czechoslovakia. It's just that there's not a Czechoslovakian DNA. I went down a very deep hole to try to figure out why there was this denial of cultures that was within me. So, my dad was Jewish. I didn't know that was in me. My mom had African-American roots that I had no idea. No one had And so what I did was I built a tree, and I use Ancestry. I would say it's probably the most user-friendly. I've tried all of them, and I've actually offered my DNA to I have many other service providers that do this. But Ancestry seems to be, for myself, the easiest one to work with. And I started to build my tree. Ancestry. Com. Yeah, Ancestry. Com. In fact, I definitely should be an affiliate of theirs because I'm always getting people to get their DNA done, especially when you end up not being able to build your tree.

Shanna
And when I got to my great-grandmother, my tree just stopped. I mean, that's not very far. You're not far at all. My grandparents. And I couldn't find her. And so I did some Google searching, and I found her in a book. This is crazy Because the book was just released two weeks prior. So, that synchronicity there. Yeah, it was. So I'm wondering, why is she in a book? So I email the author, and she calls me, and she's like, You might want to sit down. I'm like, Oh, my God. What is going on here? She's like, You have a very historical family. You are from the French Creoles. I'm like, No, I don't think so. I'm French and Italian. Little did I know, even they passed as not only white but sometimes they passed as Italians, too. When I say pass, I mean, literally, they were denying their culture, denying their heritage, the memories, the traditions, not just their skin color. Because once you could pass, you never went back. You know what? Some higher authorities, usually in the parishes, would actually want you to pass because they didn't want any mixing. They didn't want any more mixing.

Shanna
If you had a baptism certificate, they would make you a whole new birth certificate with a new race and send you on your way. Once I did find out who my grandma really was, I was able to track that she had at one point three different races on the census record. She went from M in the census record, which was Mulatto, to N, which you know what that stood for, to white. Yeah.

Amy
I guess she felt like she was doing something really good for her lineage. But at the time, it was for safety. It was like safety.

Shanna
It was. And I think I had to get there, Amy because at first I was mad.

Amy
I would be mad, too. I can see. You go through a different way of emotions. It's grief.

Shanna
Right. And I felt like it just felt yucky to me. And Because here's the other thing, you couldn't necessarily associate with what you were trying to run from as well. So, no one ever knew that side of the family. They didn't even know of the last name. And I remember my mom even saying, We weren't allowed to hang out with them. We didn't know why. We just thought because they were a lesser, lower class of people. There's a separation that happens. And it's not necessarily based on, I think I'm better than you. It was based on fear. We can't associate with you.

Amy
No, it was based on fear, and it was based on safety. Just like for women too. You're based on your fear of speaking up. And this is why it's so crucial and so important to do ancestry work, not only discovering what your actual tree, your history, your family tree is but to actually sit down and heal and clear the bloodlines. Think about how much that has, generation after generation after generation, subconsciously been passed on that you cannot be seen as you really are because you will be in danger.

Shanna
Right. And that separation that it causes.

Amy
Massive separation.

Shanna
So you are so right. And I think that I had no idea that that's where I was going at the beginning of this journey. I didn't know that it was probably going to be one of the most healing things that I ever went through in my life. I had no idea. But that is exactly what ended up happening as I dig more to find out what would lead a person to deny who they were. And so when I learned about the French Creole women, I was shocked. First of all, they're like the most unknown part of American history, these people. Louisiana covered over 20 states, even where I'm at right now in Colorado. And so this was all France. It was huge, up and down the Mississippi. I don't think people really understand the history for almost 200 This was France. It was bigger than France itself.

Amy
To paint that picture, it's mind-blowing. Right?

Shanna
I know. French was not only their language but also Catholic. That was your religion. Every single lineage from Louisiana roots was forced to be Catholic. I literally had an ancestor who was a witness on the first five boats that when you got onto the boat, you were to be baptized if you weren't already. In the Black Code, it was one of the first rules for a slave to be baptized. The Cajuns who came down from Canada, the first thing they had to do was go and be baptized. While Louisiana was basically predominantly French and Catholic, you had the 13 colonies up there. They came here, and it was like the freedom of religion, right? They didn't have that in Louisiana. You were totally frowned upon if you were not. That really was huge. And it's just understanding for me why my family is so deeply rooted Catholic. I mean, I am a recovering Catholic now. And that's been a big part of my journey, too, is understanding all of these very deep beliefs that live in my DNA. They weren't just taught to me. No, they lived there. They are living with me. So, when I have gone through this journey and have picked up a Gnostic gospel, that is very foreign to me.

Shanna
Very, very foreign to me. The idea of a mother goddess is completely foreign. Even when I moved to Colorado, the idea of women working, owning businesses, all of that was very foreign to me. So this is a very deeply rooted ancestry that I have that for generations, women were suppressed, period. The French Creo women were not allowed to... You weren't allowed to marry outside of your race until the 1950s.

Amy
That wasn't long ago. That wasn't long ago at all. That's still impacting us. Yeah.

Shanna
And you weren't going to marry anyone darker than you because you probably had a white father if you have mixed race. So they actually would have debutant balls, and they would have all of the white eligible bachelors to come, and your father would make a deal with one of them, and he would create this little Creole cottage for you and maybe even have children. But they weren't going to be an heir to him because he was going to go have a white heir with his wife because he would be able to marry, and you would just be like his mistress. Literally. This is for real. It's insane.

Amy
It's beyond insane. We can't go like, why would they do that? Back then, it was socially acceptable to do those things. And we evolved. And as we evolved, this is why the ancestors are coming through right now, too. It's because they see from different perspectives through the spirit realm, like how those decisions, how that trauma, how those belief systems, how those habits impact us now in this century. And even though We're not living back then, we're definitely impacted by our behaviors, our thoughts, our words, our deeds, and our actions, especially women. And it's not even, I'll even say, men, too, Because we are reincarnated as men and women. And so a male now could have been a female back in those days or way, way back in the day, and are still carrying those belief systems. And so we have those belief systems from our soul lineage. And then we have the belief systems from our ancestors. Our ancestors right now are going, let's clean up this mess. And it's massive. It's a massive mess.

Shanna
It is a mess. I would have been considered African-American because of the one-drop rule. And so what was crazy in Louisiana, though, is for 100 years or more before the purchase of Louisiana, Louisiana. People of mixed race were successful. I mean, they were plantation owners, too. In my lineage, I had that. They were politicians. They owned land. They were landowners. Then, when Louisiana was purchased, America was like, We don't understand a three-class system. We don't have that. We only have black or white. There's no in-between. At the time, the majority of the population was of mixed race. And so all of the people who are of mixed race were now considered African-American, and they lost all of their rights. Anything that they built for over 100 years And honestly, they were trying to whitewash. I mean, I am a product of whitewashing. So it is true. I mean, white privilege is a thing. This is what I am proof of that. They did this. So that they could have more opportunities. And as sad as it's true, I mean, this is it. My skin color is proof of that. They did this on purpose.

Shanna
And when I think about someone who is in my tree, I have Marie Laveau in my tree, I did a lot of study on her. She's the great voodoo queen of New Orleans that came from originally from... I know, isn't that crazy? I have her in my tree twice. In your tree? Yeah. That's interesting. I know. But you know what? I grew up thinking she was a bogeyman. She was a witch. She was scary. There's this place, the House of Voodoo, in New Orleans. It's very dark around that area. I was always Don't go in there. When I did ancestry work on her, and I read old books on her, I learned... She was born, I think, in 1801 and died in 1888, I believe. She was of mixed race. She was of mixed race. She had a white father, and he would have been one of my grandfathers. And also, who she had children with would have been an uncle of mine on my tree. So, not directly, but actually, her father would have been one of my grandfathers. But her grandmother had bought herself out of freedom under Spanish rule. So Spanish and France went back and forth, owning that land.

Shanna
And under Spanish rule, you could buy yourself out of slavery. And so her grandmother had. So, she wasn't born a slave. She was born free. But what I found interesting was that people feared her. So not only was she of mixed race, but she also was a woman. And in the 1800s, to be feared, I'm like, How powerful is that? And what they feared her for, I actually read this, that she would sit with prisoners and pray with them. She would go to the jail.
Amy
So they were fearful of that?

Shanna
Yeah. She sat with people who were dying because they had yellow fever back then. And like COVID, the adults were dying, but the children weren't. But she would sit with the sick, and she wouldn't get sick. So they thought for sure something was wrong with her.

Amy
Something's wrong with her if she's not getting sick.

Shanna
And she had shamanic practices that were passed down from... Then it was called Saint Doming, but now it's Hades. Those roots of tradition, of healing, Using medicine, plant medicine, herbs, and all that stuff was passed down to her. And yes, she did that. And she also was a hairdresser, and she went to church every day. In her obituary, you can find many obituaries, some of them are horrible. But the main one in the Louisiana newspaper was Pages, Amy. Pages. And it was called The Sainted Woman.

Amy
The Sainted Woman. That sounds beautiful.

Shanna
Yeah. Yeah. Gathered that power from that story.

Amy
Yeah. Well, it brings down the fear of what was told or what perceptions you or your family had around what those practices look like. And then, when you start digging deeper into what she was actually doing, did it look evil? Did it look weird? I mean, you don't know because you're just reading what you're reading. But at the end of the day, she sounds like an amazing human being.

Shanna
Yeah. But I mean, for how long have women been burned at the stake, mentally and physically? I mean, hundreds and hundreds of women actually were killed. I did someone's tree who was a Salem witch. In researching the Salem witch, I was reading the papers and the minutes that someone wrote on the court case, and she was the last one to be killed as the Salem witch. Her name was Ann Pudiator. She, in the paper, made soap. She made soap. That was literally in there. She was a widow twice, so she had land. So that was another interesting thing. And she had moles.

Amy
Yeah, she wanted to take the land on.

Shanna
Yeah, exactly. But she had moles. So I mean, just the most ridiculous stuff in the world. She had moles.

Amy
So, if you have a mole, you're a witch.

Shanna
They shaped her body. They shaped her pubic hair, everything. Looking for moles. I mean, I'd be in trouble. Well, not just that. I would have been burned a long time ago, you and me both. Yeah.

Amy
Well, I just think that one, it's really important to understand history. And Even if you don't know your family tree, your ancestors are still coming in to support you. And I think that that's really important because I know that some people did not have a traditional household growing up. I know I didn't. I didn't grow up with my biological dad. I know very, very, very, very little, a tiny, tiny little percentage of my biological dad's side. And I know a lot about my stepfamily side. And then there's people that were adopted or were separated, or they had many guardians. And so the thing about working with your ancestors, it doesn't have to be about knowing the exact family tree. But if you are interested in knowing your tree, I think it's really fascinating. So here's what you did for me. You started digging through my family tree, and I think it was the 10th generation. You found this article that... 10th generation, it was my grandfather, and they had a 500-acre tobacco farm. And I was telling my friend this. I was like, This is so cool. Sharon found that my ancestors to a tobacco from me.

Amy
She goes, Amy, don't you remember the ancestors skipped at you tobacco leaves in one of our healings? I forgot that because you receive things in healing. And we were working with the ancestors. And after the call, she and I got on the call together. I was like, What did you get? And she tells me. And then I told her what I got, which was tobacco leaves. I love that. I shared that with her because I would have never remembered that because sometimes you receive and you forget. But yeah, so my ancestors, because I remember I went into this healing, and there was this older woman that showed up, and she handed me tobacco leaves, and she was tilling the farm, and tilling the farm, and tilling the farm. It was really neat that you literally uncovered that they were tobacco farmers for me, which I'm like, You can't make this stuff up.

Shanna
Right. I did the same with the past life regression. Yeah. I mean, in my past, I had the past life regression right before or around the same time. I was on a plantation, and there was a whole story, and it was amazing. As I was reading my ancestry, I'm thinking about... I'm imagining this, but I'm going right back to the memories of that past life aggression. I'm like, holy crap. So, yeah, there's got to be some I always think that I don't know about you, that maybe we're here sometimes to heal a lineage, and maybe you have to have the experiences of your ancestors to come into the place where we are now to do the healing. Because my mom's one of seven. We're the only ones that moved to Colorado. I feel like sometimes I'm the only one that could have done this work because I was open to it.

Amy
I think moving away from home is also important sometimes. Yeah. Because of what happened, I moved away from home. I'm the only sibling that moved away from home. And when you move away from home, you remove yourself from the family dynamic, and you get to see the family dynamic from a different perspective. So true. And I believe, and this might not be everybody's belief, but I believe everybody should move away from home once, even if you move Yeah. Because it creates... You have a different relationship with yourself and your different relationship with your family when that happens. Would I love to live near my family? Absolutely. But I am grateful that I moved away because there's been so many blessings that have happened from moving away and having a different perspective. And then just moving back to the whole has regression and documenting things, time is not... A linear time is a construct that we've made for our human experience. There are so many things happening simultaneously in parallel universes and on different timelines. And we're living out all these different experiences. And the ancestors, because this is the embodied experience that we have with the human body, the ancestors right now are wanting to come in and go, Hey, I have this belief system that you're still holding on to.

Amy
And what happens is if you break it, you go, I'm going to break that belief system, and I'm going to help you. The ancestor literally wants to help break that thing is you change the whole lineage moving forward. And it's breaking generational. And I don't like using this word, but I'm being guided to use it, is breaking generational curses. It is fascinating to witness, to watch, and to experience.

Shanna
It is. It's a timeless healing. You know what else was interesting? That in my past life regression, there was someone I recognized, not anyone super close to me, but someone who I know, a strong acquaintance, though. We have a strong connection. That person ended up being on my DNA. We matched DNA, and we were both from the same lineage, who was a plantation owner. It has to make me So it was almost like through my DNA, through my ancestry, I was able to prove that the person who I have a weird connection with in this life was in my past life It's crazy. I love it. It's just bananas. I love it. And guess what? My dad died in this life on the same day as his mom died.

Amy
In real life?

Shanna
Not in past life, but for real. Isn't that weird?

Amy
Yeah. I think it's interesting because it's not always that it happens, but I feel like sometimes ancestors or family members die either around the same time because my stepdad passed away, and then my step-grandma passed away all around a similar timeline, too. Not the same day.

Shanna
So that's their contract. Let's lead around the same time. Yeah.
Amy
They were years apart, but their death anniversary was around the same time.

Shanna
Yeah. They didn't die either. They died just on the same day. Same as you. Yeah. I think that's interesting. It's through those synchronicities that I started to lead Lean into synchronicity more. I was like, wow, maybe there's something to that. So I'm going to follow that. And I do that when I work on anyone's tree. I always feel like there are these ancestors who want to come through and want to tell their story. And that happened with yours. It happens with a lot of them. And usually, it's grandma's. And I would say overall, even in sessions that I do one-on-one with people, whether it's Reiki or whatever energy works, there's so much energy of the divine feminine coming forth. And I've never had more grandma's little grannies coming through than ever. In the past two years, it's been just- Well, that's what I've noticed is in the last two years, this is where the ancestor Because when I teach the Akashic records, the masters, teachers, and loved ones come through.

Amy
Well, all of a sudden, I have all these students where you have a few loved ones come through, but it was student after student after student after student. That was ancestor, ancestor, Ancester, Ancester, Ancester, Ancester is coming through. And I'm like, oh, the records are changing. The veil is changing. The portal has opened wide because I notice patterns with things because the records are not fixed. They're evolving like we are evolving. And so I'll notice patterns as I'm teaching, and I'm like, Hmm, this is coming in. And the thing about it is this isn't going away either. The ancestors, when I was just speaking at this expo, I opened the records, and I said, Who wants to come in? And there were thousands and thousands and thousands thousands and thousands of ancestors that wanted to come in. And I was like, And this is just the starting point. I don't even feel like the floodgates have fully opened yet with it. And I think that it's really important to get back to roots, even if it's only through guided meditations, healings, activations, and things like that because it does not matter if you know the paper history.

Shanna
Yeah. Let me just say something. So, something about that. I had read one time that said that Indigenous came across a child that was not of their tribe, but this child had no family. So they would adopt him in, and they would pray to their ancestors, and they would say, Please accept this child as your own. And so he was one of theirs, and their ancestors became, spiritually, their ancestors.

Amy
I totally get that.

Shanna
And I believe that, too. I absolutely believe that. Sometimes, people are even closer with somebody else's mom than they are even their own. And they have the spiritual DNA, right? Almost. Absolutely.

Amy
Because you have the soul families. And for me, my stepdad was my dad. God, from when I had two and on. And my step-grandma taught me all sorts of different things. And I'm definitely closer to that lineage than my biological. I don't know anything. Well, I know some because of you, because you shared it with me. And it was fascinating to see you on my biological side. I think you found a picture. Not I think you did. You found a picture And an aunt of mine on my dad's side. And it's funny because we have the same exact pinkie. And my daughter, when I got an ultrasound, I was like, she has the same exact pinkie as mine. So it's very distinct in how it looks. And it comes from her. It comes from that side.

Shanna
Yeah. It's so interesting to look at some of these ancestors. My daughter just did her DNA. I mean, we already know, but she wanted to do her actual DNA. And it was so interesting, too, by the way. I mean, what I got from my mother, she got zero. So it's very interesting. Yeah. So strange how it is. I think my mom had 30 % French. I got 15. Lindsay got none. I mean, what? It's so weird. So just cuts off there.

Amy
They decide. So, from my understanding, from a spiritual perspective, I would talk to my daughter and be like, Pick the DNA you want. I would tell her, When I was pregnant, Pick the DNA you want. Leave behind this. Pick the things that you really want and you want to be connected to. And so I feel like when we're in spirit and when we're in utero, in our mother's belly, we're going through as a soul, and we're going through the DNA to figure out what experiences we want to have and what we want to heal and how we want to be the change maker. From a spiritual perspective, that's what I believe happens.

Shanna
I love that so much. I've never heard that before, Amy, and I love that. I really do, because in looking at so many people's DNAs and stuff and just looking at mine and saying, I feel like I look a lot like my mom's family, but I feel like I have a lot of strong traits for my dad. And it's like, when you do your ancestry, everybody's got darkness there. I mean, these people went through a lot. It's crazy. We're all here. No, not at all. Just think about the Cowboys. They just go around with guns and just shooting people like it was nothing. So there's a lot. And there was so much disease, too. And there was also, found a lot of injustices, just in general, that were normal that we see today as horrific. But I had many 12-year-old grandmothers that were married off.

Amy
And that was very normal back then.

Shanna
Right? I mean, my daughter's about to be 12. It means it's very sick to think. Oh, yeah. But I actually read horrific stories about one girl in particular who was betrothed to some old man that she ended up killing. Yeah. And they put her and her mother and her father on what was called a wheel. And it was like some torture device. It was so crazy. But I'm reading this out of a newspaper. So you can find so much about your ancestors because they really kept really good documents. I mean, just think back then. If Sally went to visit Betty, it was in the newspaper. Newspaper. To talk about in their little town.

Amy
Now, it's like our ancestry is going to be documented through social media.

Shanna
Yes. Absolutely.

Amy
It's scary to think about and weird to think about all at the same time.

Shanna
TMI.

Amy
Yeah.

Shanna
It's fascinating. What do they call it? How many selfies did your grandma have back then? That's what they'll be talking about.
Amy
It was a different world that people paint now on social media, and it's not the same. But we do still do the tarring and the feathering, where it's like, that's the cancel culture. And that's why you have to be really careful about what you're consuming and what you're looking at because not everything you read is accurate. Not everything you read is how you perceive it. And most importantly, you got to do and do what's right for your family. And that's why I don't share. I shared a few photos of my daughter on social media, but now it's like, I don't want her photos on social media because everything is documented now from the moment she's born. We don't know where technology is going, and so there has It has to be some privacy with certain things. I don't mind if other people share their stuff. It's just I don't know what that looks like, and so I have to think about that right now.

Shanna
Also, I think a lot of times, people will only put their pictures up of their children when they have these accomplishments. Made the honor roll or hit the home run or this. And then when they don't, it's like, well, where's my picture up there now? You know what I mean? So there's also this, I don't know, like parading. And it's just dangerous. It's a dangerous thing. I mean, I think people should really consider that. But because I'm in Colorado, I mean, seeing my cousins and being able to watch their kids grow up, that stuff has been such a blessing when it comes- Oh, it's so beautiful. I know, social media.

Amy
It really is. It's It's double-sided, no matter what. There are two sides to the coin, no matter what. I think what's most important is you honor what you feel is right for your family. And it doesn't matter what I think or what anybody else thinks. It matters what you think and what you feel comfortable with. Also, think that if you're in public or you're, let's say, in politics or something like that, you have to protect yourself. Or if you're a public figure, you have to protect yourself to some degree because you just don't know. And so there's always a flip side to everything when it comes to that. I know that you teach people how to do their own family trees. Let's talk about that.

Shanna
Yeah. So, over the years, like I said, it took so long to do my own tree because it was hard. It was like my family He was in the Witness Protection program. And so not only did I actually do the tree, but I sought other modalities and stuff to connect with my ancestors. So I went, and I learned how to journey by taking some shaman classes, learned how to drum journey because I had a line that went to a shaman. And so in order to connect with him, I wanted to connect with him how he connected with spirit. So that was really neat. And he actually became a huge part of my journey back then, especially. I feel like I know these people. So funny. I even have nicknames for a lot of my ancestors. I got to know them so well. But there were other things that I did, too. I would do a lot of dream journey or setting my intentions at night. I would do a lot of ancestry meditations. So all the things that I did that I found successful over a time when people would say, Hey, can you help me do my tree?

Shanna
And this just started with a few friends and family. And I'd say, Yeah. And then I'm like, You should try this, too, because this works for me. So, it just turned into its own workshop. I meet with my clients, and I show them their tree, if they don't know who their ancestors are because they are adopted, they can do the DNA. You don't have to do the DNA either. I mean, I can still find your tree. I can still put it together. But even if you don't want to do your DNA and you still want to connect with your ancestors, like you said, you don't have to build the tree itself. But It is a lot of fun to see the lineage and see where you came from. I think it's so fun. Yeah, it is a lot of fun. I go through, basically, it's called CLEAR. And so each letter stands for something. And the goal is really just for you to release all that doesn't serve you. So it's really fun to find out all the things. But in the end, it's like taking from all the good stuff and releasing all that doesn't serve you.

Shanna
Kind of like what you said, spiritually picking out the ancestral traits from your DNA that will serve this life and leaving behind and breaking the cycles and the patterns of the things that you find may be holding you back. And as you said, it's a timeless healing. You're healing the past, your present, and future lineages. For me, it literally made space within my body and also the subtle body. All the energy that was cleared out, then there was space to receive spiritually. I feel like my whole journey bumped up once I was able to do that. I made this workshop. I'll offer 50% off to your listeners, and we could just do CLEAR 2024 as a code if they're listening.

Amy
Perfect.

Shanna
And go to my website.

Amy
C-l-e-a-r 2024. And we'll put the code in the show notes and in the description on YouTube.

Shanna
Perfect. And then, they could go to senseofsoulpodcast.com and look for the classes and workshops that I have on the front page.

Amy
Okay, cool. And so basically the workshop is teaching them how to build their family tree.

Shanna
Yes. And no, not just build their tree, though. There's all of the tools that I used. So it's going through all the different things and also suggesting stuff, learning about the traditions, and maybe eating from that culture. You know there is something to that. Our bodies are made from this DNA that comes from these lands. Maybe you shouldn't be eating from these others. And maybe that's why that food is not working out with you because it's on the other side of the world. Maybe even considering that. So there's so much to it, actually.

Amy
Awesome. Well, if you guys are interested, Shannon is offering 50% off. I'll include it in the show notes and the YouTube description as well, so take advantage of that. Is there anything else you'd like to share before we hop off?

Shanna
No. Other than the Claire workshop, you also get the mini-series that I did on my ancestry. So you go through my journey and see how I discovered, what I discovered, a history that's never been told, but also how I healed through it. If you don't want to do the workshop but still want to hear the mini-series, you can go to Sense of Soul's Patreon. And I also have a mini-series on the Gnostic Sophia. Those are the other things. Also, check out the Sense of Soul podcast.

Amy
Yeah, definitely check out our podcast. So, my dear, it was so nice to have you on, and I can't wait to just catch up with you again.

Shanna
I know. I could talk to you forever. All right, guys.

Amy
Hope you liked this episode. Please make sure you like and subscribe, and we will talk to you soon. Bye.

Shanna
Thank you.

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